For what it's worth, I'm pretty convinced that in general well-educated people are better at diagnosing their own mental illnesses than the so-called psychology profession is.

Hmm, maybe.

However, I've heard enough people use the term migraine to mean "bad headache" that unless I know the person particularly well, I can't tell what they mean when they say "I hava migraine."

Also, I think it's hard to self-diagnose conditions accurately, even if you are intelligent, since you don't have perspective--you are the only thing you have to compare to. (You know different things about yourself than you know about other people, and in the case of diagnosing something like ADD or Aspergers, I think this would be signficant.) I'd agree that your friends and family are probably able to do a better job than the doctors.

I've come across therapists who didn't correctly diagnose a mental disorder, sure, just as I've had doctors who didn't accurately diagnose a physical illness. But I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the "so-called psychology profession." What are your reasons for doing so?

That's a good example (though migraines aren't a mental disorder, it's something that people misdiagnose all the time - even I sometimes accidentally call my tension headaches "migraines" even though I know they're quite different).

There are several aspects to self-diagnosis that make me skeptical of it. First, it's very common to self-diagnose a mental illness as an excuse for undesirable behavior that could come from other sources (possibly even other mental illnesses). Also, I've seen that people have a tendency to diagnose themselves while only accounting for positive evidence (discounting negative evidence), and also have a strong tendency to overplay symptoms when diagnosing themselves. Many people I know claim at one point or another to be "severely depressed" when they don't actually suffer from severe depression, and I've heard enough people claim they're bipolar when really they're just reacting to sugar, caffeine or other drugs, sleep patterns, or other environmental factors. Finally, it's common to confuse disorders that are actually quite different but are all often misunderstood, such as schizophrenia, multiple-personality disorder, borderline personality disorder, and lesser neuroses. (Some of these tendencies also hold for diagnoses by friends and family.)

Anyway, if he really has Asperger's, it seems like he should be properly diagnosed and possibly treated for it. I know one mild and one moderate case (mother and son), and from what I've seen, it can really get out of control if not monitored and actively subdued (not necessarily from drugs - sometimes just an awareness of your tendencies can stop "stimming," violence, and other unwanted behaviors). A friend with a different mental illness compares it to diabetes - manageable if you manage it, but potentially deadly if you ignore it.

Aspergers is also a convenient crutch in the sense that a misdiagnosis can lead to a self-fulfilling prophecy and a lack of a need to change.

In Bram's case, it was radically the opposite. I have *never* met a human being who improved interpersonally so fast or so dramatically in my life. Bram is a problem-solver. Once he understood what his problems were, he solved them. Without the sort of angst, fear, or shame that neurotypicals would experience. He has a happy wife and two healthy children and is a good dad. That's far better than a lot of "normal" people out there.

I agree based on the folks I know. Once diagnosed with AS, they worked out better behavior interventions and had the support of therapists and a community to help them more effectively deal with it. I've certainly seen others use self-diagnosed mental illnesses as crutches, though.

I also do not agree that Asperger's is a mental illness. An mental illness is a mood, thought, or personality disorder. Asperger's and autism are biological disorders that affect perception and in the case of autism, language acquisition.

Ah, interesting. Don't many mental illnesses have biological roots? They can certainly be hereditary, and they often are caused or exacerbated by chemical imbalances ... and many affect perception (at least in the fuzzy "opinion of the world" way I understand it).

Oh, definitely, they all have biological roots. It's just that (as I understand it) mood, thought, and personality disorders distort subjective perceptions, and developmental disorders affect objective perceptions. That is, a depressed person will interpret events and people as being negative, hostile, and hopeless. Someone with autism will actually experience noise as physical painful. Someone with Asperger's will actually not be able to interpret what a frown means - they have to learn to read faces by rote, not intuition like the rest of us.

I agree that depression is related to changes in neurochemistry. My point was that the neurology of depression affects how one interprets input. Autism affects the input itself.

I think the evidence is rather strong that the brain structure, not just the brain chemistry, of autistics differs from the norm. Most of what I read discusses the brain stem. (This is not the case with Asperger's.) You may want to read Temple Grandin's autobiography for a subjective account of having autism. Simple noises caused her pain. Autistics can't make sense of sensory inputs, so they resist touch, avoid noise and strong smealls, rarely learn to speak, and require on a predictable daily schedule (or become frantic - usually rocking or flapping their hands to calm themselves). The higher functioning ones, like Temple, can communicate this experience. There's plenty of scientific literature on the topic as well.

Then again, it sounds like he's managing it well enough as it is, whether it's Asperger's or something else. Mental disorders are only really disorders when they impede one's functioning more than is desirable* or they hurt others. I guess my previous experience with certain mental illnesses in general, and Asperger's in particular, makes me prone to suggest professional diagnosis/treatment.

It strikes me as odd that he likes to mention Asperger's in interviews, when he hasn't been formally diagnosed - my first thought is that he's boasting about it, but he could just be trying to raise awareness. What are his motivations?

* The meaning of "desirable" varies, and may be imposed by others

I met Bram once by accident up at Valve Inc. My friend Laura was giving me a tour and lo and behold the master just happened to work there. His term there was short lived, but for a moment I met a legend.

Months later, I discovered he has a LJ.

correction, an LJ account

That two towers tetris icon you have is quite the icon ...

Asperger's syndrome is not a mental illness. Perhaps its absence could be considered a mental illness, since it's responsible for most wars and the slow pace of scientific progress.

I don't understand what you mean - could you explain? Its absence? It's responsible for wars and slow progress?

I would posit that not all wars are a result of irrational behavior, and possibly very few are. Often, both sides (or at least those in power who are making the decisions) are perfectly rational and calculating, but their interests conflict. (Recently I've been reading about the US's meddling in South America which illustrates this vividly.)

I don't really have an opinion on the scientific progress claim (and it's all hypothetical anyway, of course). I do have some complaints with even the current "slow" rate of scientific (or perhaps more accurately technological) progress, though, as the negative effects tend to be poorly studied before deployment and externalized or even covered up afterward.

Though it's all supposition, I think that if everyone had mild Asperger's, the world could well be a more violent place. While I understand that one can learn to mitigate its negative effects, I've also seen that such control can be very difficult for some people, and if the emotional capacity of everyone were lowered, there would be fewer models for empathetic behavior.

Though it's all supposition, I think that if everyone had mild Asperger's, the world could well be a more violent place.

I think your underlying argument there is that the cause of violence is lack of empathy. I think the cause of violence is the urge to punish those that frustrate, disappoint, or anger us. Certainly empathy can reduce this urge, or even our feelings of frustration or anger. But Asperger's folks aready have lowered feelings of frustration and anger. They take things less personally, as they view things far more objectively that the rest of us.

Their lack of empathy may affect the success of their interpersonal communication, but I'm not aware that those with Asperger's are any more violent than others.

Also, I think the "lack of empathy" assumption about Asperger's isn't quite the right phrase. Asperger's folks know others have emotions, and may care about others quite a lot, but they don't quite know why or when people are having emotions, and they may not empathize in the sense of feeling the feeling along with the other person.

Maybe you're right. I know one boy with Asperger's who can be violent, and since I know so few people with Asperger's in general (and all of them seem milder than him), this case represents a sizable fraction of my small sample.

Also, I disagree with your statements about Perl and Python. I agree that Perl is, in general, less readable than Python, and also less maintainable. But the difference between the two languages is not that great.

If there's a line of Perl (in the conventional sense, i.e. a statement under 80 characters long) that actually does express something that requires dozens of lines of code in some other language, it's guaranteed to be more readable and easier to get right than those dozens of lines of code. If it expresses the equivalent of two or three lines of some other code, then it could go either way, but not dozens.

The commenter is certainly correct in the cases where CPAN helps --- you're pretty much guaranteed to have an easier time writing an SNMP application by using Net::SNMP (or even my unfinished Net::NSNMP) than if you try to implement the SNMP protocol yourself from scratch. Likewise WWW::Mechanize, XML::Parser, etc. And, given a little more effort than the minimum, your application will be much less buggy, too.

The particular language features that make Perl error-prone, such as -w and "use strict" being optional, dynamic scoping, non-local $_, automatic string and numeric coercions (particularly for undef), regexp character classes that don't include quite what you think they do, and long library module names, don't actually help much to make it terser.

My experience is that you have to spend a lot of time reading other people's code before you understand what makes code easy or hard to read. I'm not actually particularly impressed by the comprehensibility of samples of Bram's code that I've seen (in BitTorrent), although I've certainly seen worse.