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Fata Morgana
2006-06-10 01:33
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activism, feminism, sexuality
Why are there so few girl characters in kids' movies? And what's up with "purity balls" and this obsession with "naive abstinence"? (I actually have some ideas about where the whole virginity obsession comes from, but I'll save that for another rant.)



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Kris
anemone
2006-06-10 11:36 (UTC)
virginity
Women's ability to produce children is the greatest resource the human race has. Its one that can't be taken from a woman, so women don't need to fight with other women for this resource. But men...well, men have to compete with other men for access to this resource, and that competition would be horrifically destructive if allowed to rage.

In order not to be destroyed by competition, societies must impose essentially artificial limits on the use of that resource--in particular, a man may only make use of the reproductive capacity of his wife. Essentially, the men are agreeing to split the loot in a particular way to prevent fighting. Loot-splitting in this sense may have been around long enough to work its way into human nature and not just culture.

To prevent the male-male competition from being a problem, it has to be ensured that no man may make use of the reproductive capacity of woman that he has not lawfully received. The demand will always be there, so the way to do this is to impose social rules that control the supply. Any woman who puts out for any but her husband is messing with the assigned division-of-loot via marriage, and that sort of thing must be stopped.

(Now, some amount of prostitution/extra-marital sex is okay, so long as the extra-marital women and the marrying kind are in clearly different sets.)

Does this all make sense in the modern world of birth control and paternity tests? Well, maybe not, but some of this has been embedded into human nature. And too much male-male competion over women is still bad for everyone.
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Fata Morgana
chimerically
2006-06-10 18:07 (UTC)
Re: virginity
... some of this has been embedded into human nature ...

If by "human nature" you mean societal norms, then I'd generally agree.
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Matthew Jones
stridera
2006-06-11 05:18 (UTC)
Re: virginity
Wow... while I agree it does make sense the way you put it, I don't understand one thing...

How is it the guys are always yelled at for treating women like objects?

If I think of women.. as.. well.... .. women... I don't agree with your post all that much since it just puts them as either baby making machines or pleasure machines. (I'm sure that wasn't your intention, but with such inanimate descriptions, it's just the message I gleamed from it.)
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Robynne
corpsefairy
2006-06-11 09:40 (UTC)
Re: virginity
The main benefit to having sex with a virgin is that you can be absolutely sure that any resulting offspring will be yours. That's why virginity has been valued and women's sexuality has been controlled for so long; so that the men can make sure that the children are theirs and no one else's.

On a tangent, in some societies (the Celts, for example, as evidenced by the stories in the Tain), it was accepted for the chieftain or king to have the right to have sex with every bride on her wedding night - before the husband. In this way, it affirmed the symbolic role of the king as the father of his people, by literally making it possible that every firstborn child was in fact his offspring.
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Ping
zestyping
2006-06-10 16:29 (UTC)
(no subject)
One reason people value virginity is that they are afraid sex won't be as important or special to their partner as it is to them.
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Matthew Jones
stridera
2006-06-11 05:02 (UTC)
(no subject)
To a degree I agree, but in theory, I believe this is a flawed idea...

If sex weren't treated as a sin, but rather as just an intimate act, there might be less sex crimes, depression, divorce, etc. While I have no numbers or data to back this up, It's how I feel.

I was raised in a household where sex before marriage was a sin. You begin to feel it was a bad thing.

And it's hard writing a post like this without too much information... heh.
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Darcy: dragon tile
darcydodo
2006-06-10 16:59 (UTC)
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I figure it came from needing unicorns. :P
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John
surpheon
2006-06-10 20:40 (UTC)
(no subject)
Mmmmm, unicorns - the only meat that comes with its own kabob skewer.
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Matthew Jones
stridera
2006-06-11 04:42 (UTC)
(no subject)
Unicorns... happily pleasing their mates since fairy tales began...
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Matthew Jones
stridera
2006-06-11 05:34 (UTC)
(no subject)
The "girls in movies" thing is interesting, but I'm curious to see how it's changed with time. I wonder if it follows the gender roles of women from the early 50s to now in any manner at all.

As for the "purity balls," that is pretty disturbing. I know in mormon families it's drilled into their youth enough... isn't that taking it a step too far. And really, do you think it would help in a few years? They'll either be so scared of it they'll never be able to function normally as a sexual partner, or they'll ignore it and become rebellious.

Again, just my thoughts as I have never specifically researched child to adult sexuality.
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Matthew Jones
stridera
2006-06-11 07:04 (UTC)
(no subject)
You might be interested in this too.
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Fata Morgana
chimerically
2006-06-11 19:15 (UTC)
(no subject)
... but they're more likely to take medications to get high (especially prescription), and more likely to have oral sex (and not count it as "sex") ...
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Robynne: sally
corpsefairy
2006-06-11 09:43 (UTC)
(no subject)
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The whole gender imbalance in cartoons was especially noticeable when I was a character - the fact that it was such a treat when I actually got to play a GIRL says something.

In fact, out of about 20 characters I've played, only 3 have been girls - Suzy Mouse (from Cinderella), Terk (from Tarzan), and Jojo (from Jojo's Circus). That's pretty sad.

Purity balls squick me right the fuck out.
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Fata Morgana
chimerically
2006-06-11 18:46 (UTC)
(no subject)
Wow, only three - and none of them are main characters! I guess Disney has had a few lately - Belle, Pocahontas, Mulan ... it'd be interesting to see information on the success of female-lead movies versus male-lead (versus dual-lead). As much as I love Pixar, they're 0 for 7 now (0 for 9 if you count the two films in production, and 0 for over 23 if you count their short films and commercials).
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WhitLove
whitlove
2006-06-15 05:03 (UTC)
(no subject)
Altogether interesting. I relate to the whole purity thing... my inital response "at least these girls are allowed to dance." I couldn't even do that without being told it was immoral and sinful and likely a sign that I was making God sad/angry.
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